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"Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty."
-- Wendell Phillips
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...I was there from the very beginning.
Everyone was having fun and some people had a slip and slide so the cops decided they wanted to shut it down, so they road over on there quads and tried to break it up. One of the cops... left his quad in neutral and it started rolling back into the water. A good samaritan ... was pushing the quad out of the water for the ... cop and next thing you know three more come come out of nowhere and tackle him to the ground and cuff him with way more than excessive force. So that got people worked up even more. As far as the fighting went, those people are were stupid for starting [it]. Once the cops started bum rushing people and spraying innocent bystanders with mace and hitting people with their batons it just angered everyone else, so they started throwing [stuff] and booing them and get them off the beach ... After the first group of cops [moved] back to the wall everyone was pretty much happy again, until that crazy cop with the paintball gun just started shooting anybody and everybody. That just made it escalate even more.
If you could voice my opinion, I think what our own Police force said last year about the ban was the smartest thing I've ever heard them say. "At least if we have all the drinking on the beach in one area we can keep it controlled if we have to". If they ban it people will get just as drunk on the bay or Fiesta Island anyways. I'm done talking about this it's getting me all worked up and I could go on all day about how [messed] up the system is.
- BB, Pacific Beach
All:
Here is what I witnessed (I was right there in the heart of it) on the beach this past Labor day:
The police were in the process of breaking up a slip and
slide, when a couple of beachgoers decided to push the police ATV in
the water. They pushed it in, and took off. What actually started the
mayhem was another (unrelated) beachgoer helped push the ATV out of
the water, after which the police arrested him. Immediately a crowd
formed booing the police, which led to sand being thrown at them as
well as beer cans/plastic bottles. Of course, this was completely
inappropriate and wrong.
This simply escalated as more police officers were called in, more
debris was thrown at them, and eventually there was pepper spray,
tasers and full riot gear in play. It was a travesty to say the
least.
That being said, and without taking away any blame from the
beachgoers, it was strange to me yesterday that prior to the incident
there were no officers combing the beach as there typically are on the
holidays. In fact, I didn't see a single police officer on the beach
all day! And they're usually pretty vigilant on the holidays. There
were no horse-mounted officers, I didn't see the typical "drunk tank"
set up on PB drive, etc. It was almost as though there weren't the
typical crowd controls in place yesterday. I may have just overlooked
them all, in which case I apologize, but in talking to other friends
who were down there, none of them saw the preventative law enforcement
measures in place either.
Another thing that would have helped in my view, was when the police
were circled around the ATV essentially defending themselves from the
crowd, an officer simply needed a loudspeaker to simply tell everyone to
disperse, and leave (heck, threaten them w/the end of alcohol on the
beach!). It wasn't until about 20 min after it all started, that a
police helicopter began circling the melee, telling people to disperse
(which really wasn't very audible due to the noise from the helicopter
itself).
All in all, the events are sure to stir doubt on behalf
of the community and the City, with regards to the current policies
towards alcohol on the beach. That being said, it really didn't seem
like the proper crowd controls were in place (like they usually are)
which may have helped prevent this from escalating the way it did. It
definitely is the responsibility of those drinking to behave and obey
the laws, which clearly people failed to do on Monday. But in trying
to find that balance where people can responsibly enjoy themselves
w/alcohol on the beach, while the City keeps control of the crowds;
yesterday afternoon really just proved to me that there needs to be
some more give and take on both sides of the camp.
- TO, Pacific Beach
Dear Mayor & City Council:
I was at the beach on Monday just 40 to 70 yards from where the fight "brawl" started. I actually initially went over to two of the ATV riding officers and let him know there was a problem.
I have had large parties with friends & friends of friends all summer long. Our parties normally had upwards of 100 people... Our party was about 40 yards from the brawl, the police staged just behind us, and not once was our party affected, we didn't close our party until after dark. The police skirmish line did come through, they did talk to us, but no-one got in trouble, the police asked that we start clearing our trash, and help pick up other parts of the beach which we always do.
Councilman Faulconer wasn't on the beach during the event, he was there after the incident when the police staged uniform officers, wearing shorts, and helmets, not full-fledged riot gear. There was only one helicopter, no injuries to anyone and the police around us were extremely calm. One of the ATV officers, whom I have known for some time, was in the police skirmish line and he called out to me to even go check his ATV where he had left it sometime earlier near lifeguard tower 23, the location was close to the where the fight occurred. Most of the trouble makers had left. The mayhem lasted only a few minutes to 20 minutes.
My point is the police were extremely affective in getting the scene under control, was it an over-reaction to call in the cavalry no hardly, better to be safe than sorry. However, because the cavalry was called doesn't mean they were all used or even necessary. The police which staged behind our party on the boardwalk stood there for at least 45 minutes. My party of about 100 attendees never even stopped enjoying ourselves, we kept a watch on what was going on, but didn't feel that we had to be concerned, the police were doing what they do best.
I would like to offer a counter argument, to the extreme step of a total ban, I propose a limited ban on how much beer can be brought. While I understand Councilman Faulconer has to answer to his constituents in his district where this event occurred, I would like to remind all, that the resident(s) of Pacific, Mission & Ocean Beach do not own the beaches, they are public beaches that are accessible to us all. Councilman Faulconer may represent his district but he has a greater responsibility to also listen to what will serve the public good for all of San Diego's residents even the ones that don't have the luxury of living in and around the water.
I also believe that level heads should prevail. We are just two days since the incident, already we are talking a ban which is an extreme step...
-RW, Pacific Beach
Good Morning,
I would like to write in regards to the event that occurred on September 3, 2007. Alcohol should not be banned from the beach, especially when it seems as if it was a cop's wrong accusation of the situation began all of the commotion. San Diego is one of the last places in California where you can enjoy a beverage on the beach and this privilege should not be taken away for once incident that would never have happened if it were not for the poor judgement of a few people (cops included).
I went to the beach about 2pm in between reed and pb drive. Around 4:30, there was a slip n slide that a crowd was surrounding. Around 5pm, the slip n slide had stopped and there was a guy pulling a cop atv out of the water. Someone mentioned that the cop was off the atv talking to people regarding the slip n slide when a few people had inched the atv into the water. A guy who was already in the water tried to help pull it out, but then all the cop saw was someone messing with his vehicle when in reality he was helping pull it out of the water. The cop then was in the process of arresting this guy when a crowd surrounded to watch. It looked as if people were getting upset that the guy was getting arrested for helping out. Then people started to throw things at the cops and the cops pulled out pepper spray and started going at the crowd with it to settle everyone down. All this did was make matters worse. I saw a girl get sprayed and shoved on the ground. More cops came to try and break thing up but it just caused more of a fuss. Since I was right next to all this, I backed up towards the wall against the boardwalk so I would not get in the midst of the pepper spray, since it was everywhere. The cops had started at the water where the atv was and ended up all the way back at the boardwalk. At this point, I did not want to get trampled so I left and walked back to friends house. I hope this helps with some of the unknown facts.
Thank you and have a wonderful day,
-EJ, La Jolla
I am contacting you in the hopes of putting out there another side to the issue. I think that the jumping to conclusions that everyone arrested was responsible for what went down is unfortunate. I was one of the individuals arrested - and I would like to put that side of the story out there. My name is Dylan Whitman and I was arrested for allegedly "inciting a riot." When I was arrested, it was after everything had calmed down and I was sitting on the sea-wall watching our ice chest and other beach items with a friend while other friends went to pick up our car. A police officer came up and grabbed me and arrested me, while I was sitting quietly. He wouldn't inform me what I was being arrested for, and my friend asked what was going on and he told her to go away. I was sober and had not thrown anything or caused any problems or assaulted any police officers so the only thing they had to charge me with was "inciting a riot." I was not explained what I allegedly do to do that, and it will be interesting to see what story they (the police) come up with. I am working with an attorney to hopefully get the charges dropped. I am a San Diego local myself and it is unfortunate when the police go out there and start grabbing people and arresting them because they are near a bunch of drunk idiots who are throwing things at them. I hope that people realize that while there were definitely a lot of idiots out there, you also shouldn't assume that just because someone was arrested they did something. Many of the eyewitness accounts on FreePB.org said that people were getting in trouble when they weren't even doing anything wrong.
Also, I have drafted the following open letter I will be sending to the councilman
-Dylan Whitman, San Diego
I am writing with an eyewitness account about the incident on Labor Day.
Myself and several of my friends saw the entire event from start to finish.
First of all, the so-called "riot" did not begin because of a drunken brawl
on the beach like many of the news sources are reporting. There were a group
of college-aged kids with a slip-and-slide set up that had attracted a
crowd. However, the crowd was simply cheering and having fun. A few cops
came by on their four wheelers to break up the crowd and stop the use of the
slip and slide. No one was arguing with the cops at this point and everyone
seemed to be compliant. While this was occurring, a random guy was pushing
the cop's four-wheeler towards the ocean. The cops eventually reprimanded
him and I believe he was arrested. The guy's friends began shouting at the
cops and were throwing bottles and sand at them. The cops were pepper
spraying them and arresting them. At this point more police became involved,
thus attracting an even larger crowd. If the cops had simply arrested the
rowdy individuals and had continued about their duties in a regular fashion,
such a reaction would not have been provoked. It wasn't necessary for
police in riot gear and helicopters to arrive at the scene. The whole
scenario was blown out of proportion. The appearance of a "riot" was simply
due to the mass of spectators watching a confrontation between several cops
and a handful of rowdy individuals. There was not a riot. No one was
seriously injured. I don't see the sense in restricting thousands of
law-abiding citizens because of the misbehavior of a handful of people.
Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or need
more information.
-LW, Pacific Beach
- KB, Ocean Beach
I was present on Monday as the events started. My friend and I were on the beach at the spot where the police ATV was pulled out of the water by a guy, who was completely cooperative during his arrest. Obviously a large crowd started to form as his arrest became known to those in the area on the beach. Some began to boo, and those that were disrespectful threw sand and some cans at the cops. The crowd grew larger and the police became more irate. I have some of this on video, which you can watch on YouTube.
I eventually turned my camera off, but just as I did so the police went after several people with pepper spray. This caused mass chaos....and I immediately left the area and headed north on the beach. I honestly believe if the police left the scene after the arrest and did not use the pepper spray the situation would not have escalated to what we know is called the "PB Riot". All I know is that after I left the scene even more chaos erupted and what I see on the news is so shocking. I honestly believe both the disrespectful drunks who chose to piss off the cops are to blame, as well as the police who appeared to enrage the crowd even more by using pepper spray.
Even after these events, I don't want an alcohol ban on the beaches. This is only my first year in San Diego, but all summer my friends and I enjoyed the beaches, safely, and while drinking on the beach. Not once did I witness any disturbances other than what I witnessed on Monday. I know there was thousands on the beach Monday, with alot of drinking, but I think holidays bring out the masses, many of whom are tourists and don't care for the beach. A smarter solution would be to ban alcohol on the major holidays. As much as I don't want this to occur it seems the only solution to keep those that disrespect our town from causing flights and disturbances on the beaches.
-LA, Pacific Beach
I assume the fights between beach goers happened soon after because people were probably bumping into each other and getting mad and fighting. I think the cops are to blame for that since they caused the uproar and the chaos that followed with there poor reaction and lack of crowd control. I heard later on the news that someone else 1st pushed the ATV into the water before the kid pushed it out but I didn't see that, but that could have been the case. Either way the cops shouldn't have arrested the kid that helped them. If that hadn't have happened, we wouldn't even be talking about this now. Hope that helps.
-KG, San Diego
I was in PB when the disturbance occured on Labor Day.
I was standing outside of World Famous on PB Drive. I
saw a crowd gathering and went to see what was
happening. I witnessed lifeguards and police officers
chasing one man around the beach. He jumped the sea
wall and ran out into the parking lot (the west end of
PD Drive). The cops caught up with him, tackled him, and
appeared to mace the individual. He was then taken
into custody. The crowd lingered for a while, but
nothing else happened. It was one guy getting chased
by the cops. That's it. It just looked worse because
so many on-lookers gathered to see what was happening.
After the man was taken into custody, my wife and I
went into World Famous for some appetizers. When
we departed approxiamtely 45 minutes later, I saw
around 15 police offices in riot gear gathered
together talking idly on mission drive and a little
north of PB Drive. There was nothing for them to do
but stand there. The disturbance was long over and
effectively handled and contained by the on duty
officers. Indeed, from what I saw, no one could call
the entire episode anything other than a minor
disturbance effectively contained by the SDPD -- and
certianly not a riot by any stretch of the
imagination.
-SH, San Diego
Just to start I saw EVERYTHING that happened during the first 25 minutes
or so of the event. I was sitting in my beach chair enjoying the day at
the beach which had otherwise been pretty mellow. The slipping slide
people had had their slipping slide out for about 4 hours, which I
didn't think was really that big of a deal. It got a little rowdy over
there at one point in time (about 30 minutes before the cops showed up)
when a bunch of people were sliding down it and a big group of guys was
chanting "we want boobs". I went over there and checked it out for a
little bit, no big deal. About 30 minutes later an office rolled up in
his quad and went over to talk to those guys, probably to tell them they
couldn't have the slide. While he was over there, some joker ran over
and pushed the quad toward the water about 5 ft. The quad was already
too close to the water, so the waves started washing up underneath and
moving it around a bit (this was happening about 20 ft in front of me
while I was sitting in my beach chair) Another guy who was just walking
by, saw the officers quad in the water, he didn't know the first guy who
originally touched it as far as I could tell. He decided to be a good
citizen and grabbed the back of the quad and pushed it up out of the
water onto dry sand. I don't know if the cop didn't see any of this or
what, but he came over right as the guy had finished pushing his quad up
to the high tide line. As the office walked up, to our surprise, he
grabbed the guy who had pushed the quad out of the water and twisted his
arm behind his back and cuffed him. By this time a large number of
people were watching. Everyone started booing and yelling that this was
a wrongful arrest, and the guy had done nothing wrong. This is when
things started getting carried away, sand and beer cans started flying
into the center where the officer was standing, at this point it was
getting hard to see so I stood up to watch, there was another cop in the
middle of the crowd at this time as well. I saw the first officer who
had arrested the guy pull out his radio and call for backup. Within a
minute about 10 - 12 other cops came running into the middle of the
circle that had formed, a police SUV drove up as well and they started
tossing people in, and a news helicopter began to circle. Sand and beer
cans were still being thrown from the outskirts of the crowd. Once the
12 additional cops arrived they formed a circle and without warning
began pepper spraying people, I saw tasers out as well but I didn't see
anyone actually get hit with a taser. I started to pack up my stuff and
told my girlfriend, my other friend Matt and his girlfriend that is was
time to go cause the situation was getting too crazy. That's when a cop
ran by and pepper sprayed the 4 of us, even my girlfriend who was still
sitting in her chair got sprayed. I saw women, and men being sprayed
directly in their eyes and faces without questions asked, including
people just walking by near the water and people just getting out of the
water. At one point an office that was standing near us got hit
directly in his helmet, I saw him unholster what looked like his gun and
began walking in the direction the can came from. There were men and
women being tackled and slammed in the sand and arrested all over the
place. With all the people getting sprayed, the crowd began to get even
more fired up. This is when even more beer cans, and bottles (the
plastic kind I might add) began flying from all directions. The cops
then began sprinting into the crowds of people chasing down individuals
who they though were throwing stuff, several of these people I saw
running away and resisting arrest. As these small bands of cops went
off chasing people the crowd followed, that's when the ruckus moved away
from where we were sitting. That's when we packed up our stuff and
headed toward the boardwalk, I saw all the cops eventually run out of
the crowd and to the board walk, to wait for backup im assuming, they
all stood there in a line as the crowd continued to throw cans and other
objects. As I reached the boardwalk (about 50 yards down from where the
cops were all standing in a line on the boardwalk) I noticed smoke and
gas coming up from the beach. The police helicopter was circling too,
telling everyone to leave the sand or they would be arrested on site.
At some point some people in the crowd turned on themselves and began
fighting although I personally didn't see anyone fighting. Then I left
the beach.
I just think its funny they would call this a beach riot, I also have
had my eyes opened just to how the local news and other news agencies
twist the truth and portray these kinds of stories however they want.
Especially when they say the police were "attacked" as they innocently
tried to break up a beach brawl involving "scores" or people, while the
truth is the only time there were people fighting was at the very end
while all the cops were standing on the seawall and did absolutely
nothing (except shoot tear gas onto the beach of course).
In my opinion the whole situation started around the wrongful arrest of
a man simply trying to help a police quad out of the water. Had the cop
simply taken him aside and found out what the situation was, rather than
immediately treating him like a criminal, I don't think people would
have gotten so angry. From there it snowballed into an out of control
scene. I don't believe it was a riot, I think the police could have
handled the situation better and not resorted to the means the did so
quickly. I feel that some of them aren't trained for situation where
there are crowds of thousands of people, and they don't know how to
react when something like this happens. At the same time the crowd did
get out of control and shouldn't have been throwing all that stuff at
the cops. All in all it was a huge mess, and I hope we don't lose our
drinking privileges because of it.
Hope this helped,
-VL, San Diego
I was an innocent bystander that was actually quite disgusted with how the whole event played out and how the crowd responded to police action. I would like to begin by saying that the cops should have definately let the entire crowd of people alone and by knowing what could happened they should have done their utmost to stay out of the mess in the first place.
I am very unclear to how the whole thing started, rumors have stated it was a fight, and others have stated it was a slip and slide that the cops tried to stop, but either way what continued on for the next hour was a bit over the top.
Once the cops had initially slowed the crowd down and it appeared things were starting to quell the cops started attacking various innocent bystanders. Screaming at people to get back and threatening them with mace and batons. One cop yelled at a few of us to get back which we did and one individual actually started moving back but apparently not as fast as the cop wanted to, the cop proceeded to shove the individual on the ground and after the guy had rolled the guy ran at him grabbed him as if the guy had done something wrong then pretty much dragged him to the center of the ruckus. I am all for allowing cops to do their work if threatened but this is one of the first incidences in my life that I witnessed a cop pretty much use excessive force on an individual. This same cop then proceeded to get trigger happy with the mace and started spraying it all over at people. There were various people around who were yelling that this cop was trigger happy and to watch out for him. The cop's name was Lt. Vinison, and the only reason I looked for his name because I felt he was creating more rage and anger among the crowd.
Various cops were over-reacting which definately fueled the fire. The crowd turned on the cops at which time bottles and cups of sand were thrown at the cops. There were many cops I witnessed that were very respectful of the crowd and actually stayed calm whereas a handfull kept making things worse. Any time police start grabbing individuals after a day of alcohol and sun things are obviously going to get worse. Well it appeared the crowd was sick of seeing what they saw and forced the cops off the beach. The items being thrown at the cops continued over the next while. One female cop it looked like started shooting paintballs at the crowd and whether she hit someone or nothing came out I know not.
The cops believe they gave fair warning for the crowd to disperse and they did this from the police helicopter above the crowd but you could barely hear what they were saying.
I believe the police did the right thing by getting out and staying out of the situation, and the crowd was far out of control and had no right to pelt the cops with various objects. I do believe the cops showed amazing patience by staying out of the situation until it calmed down but the whole thing would have never started if they hadn't start abusing people in the first place.
-EW, San Diego
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